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		<title>By: Arabella Figg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabella Figg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an article about the TV show &quot;Heroes&quot; in Entertainment Weekly, 10.31.08. Speaking is Tim Kring, the show&#039;s creator:

&quot;There&#039;s a premise to the show that we are actually trying to get back to more and more--the idea that ordinary people have been chosen for something extraordinary,&quot; he told EW. &quot;It&#039;s what made the Harry Potter series so great, the idea that the most disenfranchised kid--the kid who lived under the crawl space of the stairs--could be chosen for greatness. That&#039;s an archetypal idea that has tremendous resonance.&quot;

There are no ordinary cats...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an article about the TV show &#8220;Heroes&#8221; in Entertainment Weekly, 10.31.08. Speaking is Tim Kring, the show&#8217;s creator:</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a premise to the show that we are actually trying to get back to more and more&#8211;the idea that ordinary people have been chosen for something extraordinary,&#8221; he told EW. &#8220;It&#8217;s what made the Harry Potter series so great, the idea that the most disenfranchised kid&#8211;the kid who lived under the crawl space of the stairs&#8211;could be chosen for greatness. That&#8217;s an archetypal idea that has tremendous resonance.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are no ordinary cats&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Arabella Figg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabella Figg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Citizen Kane, a few days after I wrote about it, I came upon an article, “Judith Crist Loves Ted Tuner,” by Bob Calandra in AARP Magazine, November/December 2008. Crist is a veteran film critic. I find her comments very applicable to the HP series and all great literature.

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True classics hold up to endless viewing, says Crist, who is in her 51st year of teaching opinion writing at Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism. Her favorite film? She can’t narrow it down to one, but Orson Welle’s monumental Citizen Kane still mesmerizes, she says, as a recent late-night viewing confirmed.

“I picked it up and after ten minutes I thought, ’Well, I’ll stay with it for a bit and then I really have to go to bed.’ And then I found myself sitting up until 3:00 A.M., watching something I could recite line by line.

“But I noticed for the first time—and this may be the 50th or 60th time I’ve seen Citizen Kane—that at the very end, as the camera pulls back on the gates and the NO TRESPASSING sign, in the back at the very top of the picture, there is smoke coming out of the chimney of the Kane mansion. I guess all the other times I’ve been looking at the gate.

“The smoke made me feel something that I never felt before; that we did trespass. But I always notice something new with Citizen Kane. It astounds me.

“Great performances, no matter what you thought of them the first time, will always reveal something more. The way Orson Welles destroys his wife’s bedroom when he throws her out. You would think that the first pass at the room would be the most ferocious, but his rage grew in ferocity. I found myself seeing more nuances. And that’s the point. The beauty of film is that it’s forever. It’s like rereading Shakespeare. There is always something more.”

Kitties never trespass—they own everything and know it…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Citizen Kane, a few days after I wrote about it, I came upon an article, “Judith Crist Loves Ted Tuner,” by Bob Calandra in AARP Magazine, November/December 2008. Crist is a veteran film critic. I find her comments very applicable to the HP series and all great literature.</p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<p>True classics hold up to endless viewing, says Crist, who is in her 51st year of teaching opinion writing at Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism. Her favorite film? She can’t narrow it down to one, but Orson Welle’s monumental Citizen Kane still mesmerizes, she says, as a recent late-night viewing confirmed.</p>
<p>“I picked it up and after ten minutes I thought, ’Well, I’ll stay with it for a bit and then I really have to go to bed.’ And then I found myself sitting up until 3:00 A.M., watching something I could recite line by line.</p>
<p>“But I noticed for the first time—and this may be the 50th or 60th time I’ve seen Citizen Kane—that at the very end, as the camera pulls back on the gates and the NO TRESPASSING sign, in the back at the very top of the picture, there is smoke coming out of the chimney of the Kane mansion. I guess all the other times I’ve been looking at the gate.</p>
<p>“The smoke made me feel something that I never felt before; that we did trespass. But I always notice something new with Citizen Kane. It astounds me.</p>
<p>“Great performances, no matter what you thought of them the first time, will always reveal something more. The way Orson Welles destroys his wife’s bedroom when he throws her out. You would think that the first pass at the room would be the most ferocious, but his rage grew in ferocity. I found myself seeing more nuances. And that’s the point. The beauty of film is that it’s forever. It’s like rereading Shakespeare. There is always something more.”</p>
<p>Kitties never trespass—they own everything and know it…</p>
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		<title>By: Trew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John&#039;s comment that Rowling&#039;s pedestrian style is actually a good authorial &quot;choice&quot; (if it is a choice) is interesting. There may be something in it. Rowling&#039;s relatively clean, fast reading prose moves the story right along and allows her to get through more emotional highs and lows without losing readers.

Still, it is hard to forgive her excess adverbials (he said critically). And the repetitive Quidditch and battle scenes in the books might have been a lot more tolerable if she could have found new ways to describe them. A little &quot;heightened style&quot; here could have gone a long way.

Maybe the best way to decide whether great style is necessary for a great book is to look at the polar opposite of Rowling&#039;s style: Mervyn Peake&#039;s Titus Groan. Peake has an extremely romantic style which, all by itself, elevates his novel to great fantasy.

The critical consensus after fifty years, however, is that Titus Groan is not a great novel. Perhaps this is because it is &quot;only fantasy&quot;. Or perhaps it is because it is not considered a children&#039;s novel and therefore doesn&#039;t get the &quot;free pass&quot; accorded to children&#039;s stories with weak style. Perhaps the book itself is simply too baroque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8217;s comment that Rowling&#8217;s pedestrian style is actually a good authorial &#8220;choice&#8221; (if it is a choice) is interesting. There may be something in it. Rowling&#8217;s relatively clean, fast reading prose moves the story right along and allows her to get through more emotional highs and lows without losing readers.</p>
<p>Still, it is hard to forgive her excess adverbials (he said critically). And the repetitive Quidditch and battle scenes in the books might have been a lot more tolerable if she could have found new ways to describe them. A little &#8220;heightened style&#8221; here could have gone a long way.</p>
<p>Maybe the best way to decide whether great style is necessary for a great book is to look at the polar opposite of Rowling&#8217;s style: Mervyn Peake&#8217;s Titus Groan. Peake has an extremely romantic style which, all by itself, elevates his novel to great fantasy.</p>
<p>The critical consensus after fifty years, however, is that Titus Groan is not a great novel. Perhaps this is because it is &#8220;only fantasy&#8221;. Or perhaps it is because it is not considered a children&#8217;s novel and therefore doesn&#8217;t get the &#8220;free pass&#8221; accorded to children&#8217;s stories with weak style. Perhaps the book itself is simply too baroque.</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>revgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the book reference, schmalchemy.  I&#039;ve put it on my Amazon wish list.  Looks interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the book reference, schmalchemy.  I&#8217;ve put it on my Amazon wish list.  Looks interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: schmalchemy</title>
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		<dc:creator>schmalchemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the Harry Potter novels great?  For what it is worth, I certainly think so.  Partly for some of the reasons stated above...that is, they certainly got people to read and continue to generate excitement of reading and the language used is so engaging.  The humor expressed, the ideas, the themes, and so on.

As for comparisons between Rowling, Tolkein, and Lewis (as Revgeorge indicated), I look to another book I&#039;ve read recently, &quot;Hogwarts, Narnia, and Middle Earth: Places Upon a Time&quot;.  While not a Zossima book, it discusses themes and issues that bring thoughtful comparisons of these books to life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the Harry Potter novels great?  For what it is worth, I certainly think so.  Partly for some of the reasons stated above&#8230;that is, they certainly got people to read and continue to generate excitement of reading and the language used is so engaging.  The humor expressed, the ideas, the themes, and so on.</p>
<p>As for comparisons between Rowling, Tolkein, and Lewis (as Revgeorge indicated), I look to another book I&#8217;ve read recently, &#8220;Hogwarts, Narnia, and Middle Earth: Places Upon a Time&#8221;.  While not a Zossima book, it discusses themes and issues that bring thoughtful comparisons of these books to life.</p>
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		<title>By: Arabella Figg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabella Figg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad you saw the end first, RevGeorge. Ruined the shock value and couldn&#039;t have made much sense. There&#039;s a Peanuts strip referencing the end of Citizen Kane; I still have it.

I recommend viewing Citizen Kane, without reading about it or viewing documentaries first. Go into it cold. Talk about twists--the final is a doozy. The film is a very entertaining and gripping examination of power. Then watch the brilliant two-hour documentary that comes with the DVD. This was shown on PBS several years ago. You&#039;ll understand why this groundbreaking (on many fronts) film was the basis for much of 20th Century filmmaking. Actually, I think serious Rowling fans would like it very much.

Kitties are all about power...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad you saw the end first, RevGeorge. Ruined the shock value and couldn&#8217;t have made much sense. There&#8217;s a Peanuts strip referencing the end of Citizen Kane; I still have it.</p>
<p>I recommend viewing Citizen Kane, without reading about it or viewing documentaries first. Go into it cold. Talk about twists&#8211;the final is a doozy. The film is a very entertaining and gripping examination of power. Then watch the brilliant two-hour documentary that comes with the DVD. This was shown on PBS several years ago. You&#8217;ll understand why this groundbreaking (on many fronts) film was the basis for much of 20th Century filmmaking. Actually, I think serious Rowling fans would like it very much.</p>
<p>Kitties are all about power&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>revgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice point about Citizen Kane, Arabella.  I&#039;ve been alive for 43 years &amp; still haven&#039;t seen the movie except the final clip.  But I know the story of the film.  But my closest viewing of it was a Saturday Night Live sketch.  Just like my closest reading of Wuthering Heights comes from the Monty Python semaphore version! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice point about Citizen Kane, Arabella.  I&#8217;ve been alive for 43 years &amp; still haven&#8217;t seen the movie except the final clip.  But I know the story of the film.  But my closest viewing of it was a Saturday Night Live sketch.  Just like my closest reading of Wuthering Heights comes from the Monty Python semaphore version! <img src='http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Arabella Figg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabella Figg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, RevGeorge. First doesn&#039;t necessarily mean &quot;greatest.&quot;

For example, take the 1941 film Citizen Kane, #1 on most best films list. Kane is a remarkable film and was a first on many fronts. Is it the best film *ever* made, after almost 70 years? I think that&#039;s debatable. Is it most people&#039;s favorite film? I&#039;d venture most people haven&#039;t seen it, and wouldn&#039;t appreciate it without study/documentaries). So while I hat-tip Citizen Kane, and believe it belongs at or in the top of such lists, it&#039;s not the only film on our CD shelf, nor my favorite film.

And when it comes to &quot;Great Books,&quot; how do you possibly compare the voice of Tolkein with that of Twain? Yet we can fully enjoy and marvel at both.

Now about giving that cat the elixer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, RevGeorge. First doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean &#8220;greatest.&#8221;</p>
<p>For example, take the 1941 film Citizen Kane, #1 on most best films list. Kane is a remarkable film and was a first on many fronts. Is it the best film *ever* made, after almost 70 years? I think that&#8217;s debatable. Is it most people&#8217;s favorite film? I&#8217;d venture most people haven&#8217;t seen it, and wouldn&#8217;t appreciate it without study/documentaries). So while I hat-tip Citizen Kane, and believe it belongs at or in the top of such lists, it&#8217;s not the only film on our CD shelf, nor my favorite film.</p>
<p>And when it comes to &#8220;Great Books,&#8221; how do you possibly compare the voice of Tolkein with that of Twain? Yet we can fully enjoy and marvel at both.</p>
<p>Now about giving that cat the elixer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, John.  We have the best of both worlds, if we want it.  LOTR &amp; HP &amp; other great works that work on different levels &amp; with different methods but all of which move us &amp; speak to us in some way.

I think it&#039;s only those outside of the appreciation of great books who think books must be lined up according to some sort of &#039;greatest&#039; criteria &amp; just because some book may come in first means it is somehow better than all the others on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, John.  We have the best of both worlds, if we want it.  LOTR &amp; HP &amp; other great works that work on different levels &amp; with different methods but all of which move us &amp; speak to us in some way.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s only those outside of the appreciation of great books who think books must be lined up according to some sort of &#8216;greatest&#8217; criteria &amp; just because some book may come in first means it is somehow better than all the others on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Rocker and Dr. Sturgis&#039; quotations and comments on the Hogs Head site (comments 41 &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thehogshead.org/2008/01/24/discussion-ursula-k-leguin-on-the-decline-of-reading/#comment-306556&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and 45 respectively&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;) both go to make RR&#039;s point: the themes are in parallel and the writers&#039; voices are the difference, mythic and archetypal in LOTR and personal and one step from vaudeville in HP. If accessibility and experience of meaning are the measures, HP wins running away; if majesty of prose and kinship of same to profundity of message are the measures, Ms. Rowling is left at the mountain of greatness&#039; basecamp.

Fortunately, this is not an either/or experience and preferences are not &#039;desert island one book&#039; choices we have to make. We can and should enjoy both for what they are. Is King Lear better than Oedipus Tyrannus and Equus? than Taming of the Shrew? Yes -- and No! Similarly, LOTR and HP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Rocker and Dr. Sturgis&#8217; quotations and comments on the Hogs Head site (comments 41 <strong><a href="http://thehogshead.org/2008/01/24/discussion-ursula-k-leguin-on-the-decline-of-reading/#comment-306556" rel="nofollow">and 45 respectively</a></strong>) both go to make RR&#8217;s point: the themes are in parallel and the writers&#8217; voices are the difference, mythic and archetypal in LOTR and personal and one step from vaudeville in HP. If accessibility and experience of meaning are the measures, HP wins running away; if majesty of prose and kinship of same to profundity of message are the measures, Ms. Rowling is left at the mountain of greatness&#8217; basecamp.</p>
<p>Fortunately, this is not an either/or experience and preferences are not &#8216;desert island one book&#8217; choices we have to make. We can and should enjoy both for what they are. Is King Lear better than Oedipus Tyrannus and Equus? than Taming of the Shrew? Yes &#8212; and No! Similarly, LOTR and HP.</p>
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