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	<title>Comments on: Elizabeth Goudge: &#8220;All Shall Be Well&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: LibraryLily</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibraryLily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved all of this--Goudge&#039;s story brought tears to my eyes, and the Holland poem very nearly did the same. I&#039;m still trying to figure out Eliot&#039;s quartets, but the ending was nice.

&lt;b&gt;Odd&lt;/b&gt;, I&#039;m glad you sent in the story. More Goudge books are definitely going on my reading list.

&lt;b&gt;Red Rocker&lt;/b&gt;, your last paragraph was beautiful. I couldn&#039;t agree more. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved all of this&#8211;Goudge&#8217;s story brought tears to my eyes, and the Holland poem very nearly did the same. I&#8217;m still trying to figure out Eliot&#8217;s quartets, but the ending was nice.</p>
<p><b>Odd</b>, I&#8217;m glad you sent in the story. More Goudge books are definitely going on my reading list.</p>
<p><b>Red Rocker</b>, your last paragraph was beautiful. I couldn&#8217;t agree more. <img src='http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: oshove</title>
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		<dc:creator>oshove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, John, for this essay and thank you, all of you, for your comments on the All Shall Be Well-ending. I have been loaded down this winter with some work burdens, but I have clicked into HogPro from time to time, even though I had nothing very well considered to contribute myself.

One of the ways to survive in such periods of life is of couse to read «in between». And it so happened that I late in January picked from my bookshelf «Linnets and Valerians» by Elizabeth Goudge, one of her children&#039;s stories which I had ordered from Amazon, but never read. It was nice and light reading, though not as impressive as Little White Horse. But it gave me a strong taste of longing to read more Goudge.

So I clicked again into Amazon (in Britain, it&#039;s a shorter distance from Norway) and I was led to an address for used books. And I simply OK-ed everything I found, written by Goudge.

Last tuesday two of those books arrived and when I in the evening opened the first one, I immediately found «The Two Caves» with that wonderful Christian content and exciting ending. It made me jump to my feet. I rushed downstairs, scanned the text and sent it to John. And he answered as you have all seen in the essay above.

Not really a product of great thinking from my side, but it is a stimulating thing to be at the recieving end of the great thinking in your discussion above.

And yes, Arabella, since you mention it, I think it must indeed be just the right time to start noticing the delightful coming spring here in Norway. At least here at the western coast.

Yours
Odd
Bergen, Norway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, John, for this essay and thank you, all of you, for your comments on the All Shall Be Well-ending. I have been loaded down this winter with some work burdens, but I have clicked into HogPro from time to time, even though I had nothing very well considered to contribute myself.</p>
<p>One of the ways to survive in such periods of life is of couse to read «in between». And it so happened that I late in January picked from my bookshelf «Linnets and Valerians» by Elizabeth Goudge, one of her children&#8217;s stories which I had ordered from Amazon, but never read. It was nice and light reading, though not as impressive as Little White Horse. But it gave me a strong taste of longing to read more Goudge.</p>
<p>So I clicked again into Amazon (in Britain, it&#8217;s a shorter distance from Norway) and I was led to an address for used books. And I simply OK-ed everything I found, written by Goudge.</p>
<p>Last tuesday two of those books arrived and when I in the evening opened the first one, I immediately found «The Two Caves» with that wonderful Christian content and exciting ending. It made me jump to my feet. I rushed downstairs, scanned the text and sent it to John. And he answered as you have all seen in the essay above.</p>
<p>Not really a product of great thinking from my side, but it is a stimulating thing to be at the recieving end of the great thinking in your discussion above.</p>
<p>And yes, Arabella, since you mention it, I think it must indeed be just the right time to start noticing the delightful coming spring here in Norway. At least here at the western coast.</p>
<p>Yours<br />
Odd<br />
Bergen, Norway</p>
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		<title>By: Red Rocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Rocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Travis&#039;&lt;/b&gt; comment brings up a conversation we&#039;ve had before about how we can interpret the text.

One of the major sources of debate about HP is the motivation and character of Dumbledore: is he wise, kind and merciful, or is he brilliant, deceptive and manipulative? We have agreed that  both interpretations are possible in that the text supports both interpretations, and that in the end we choose the interpretation which satisfies us. We could have - and I think we have had - the same dialogue about King&#039;s Cross: did the conversation with Dumbledore really happen, or did Harry imagine it?

My point here is that we could interpret the words &quot;all is well&quot; simply, without looking for deeper meanings. And it would work. But we could also look at other writers who have used those words, and in similar contexts, to explain the nature of love and death. I personally find it infinitely more satisfying - both emotionally and aesthetically - to think that JKR thought of Eliot or Goudge or especially of Holland - and wrote those words with those meanings in mind. It adds something - history, meaning, resonance, significance, depth, knowledge, substance - something, to think that she smiled as she wrote those words, put them there perhaps for her readers to discover their significance for themselves. It&#039;s like a message or a clue she left for us. It&#039;s a link with the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Travis&#8217;</b> comment brings up a conversation we&#8217;ve had before about how we can interpret the text.</p>
<p>One of the major sources of debate about HP is the motivation and character of Dumbledore: is he wise, kind and merciful, or is he brilliant, deceptive and manipulative? We have agreed that  both interpretations are possible in that the text supports both interpretations, and that in the end we choose the interpretation which satisfies us. We could have &#8211; and I think we have had &#8211; the same dialogue about King&#8217;s Cross: did the conversation with Dumbledore really happen, or did Harry imagine it?</p>
<p>My point here is that we could interpret the words &#8220;all is well&#8221; simply, without looking for deeper meanings. And it would work. But we could also look at other writers who have used those words, and in similar contexts, to explain the nature of love and death. I personally find it infinitely more satisfying &#8211; both emotionally and aesthetically &#8211; to think that JKR thought of Eliot or Goudge or especially of Holland &#8211; and wrote those words with those meanings in mind. It adds something &#8211; history, meaning, resonance, significance, depth, knowledge, substance &#8211; something, to think that she smiled as she wrote those words, put them there perhaps for her readers to discover their significance for themselves. It&#8217;s like a message or a clue she left for us. It&#8217;s a link with the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Red Rocker&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; response is right (and far more gracious than my own): it &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; mean only that.  But for reasons already given, and more, I think it&#039;s much more &lt;em&gt;likely&lt;/em&gt; that there&#039;s more to it than the surface reading.  Let&#039;s keep in mind that that phrase was something of a last-minute change from the final words she had planned for 17 years - which tells me there has to be some significance to it.

I like &lt;strong&gt;Lily Luna&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; reading of the scar-touching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Red Rocker&#8217;s</strong> response is right (and far more gracious than my own): it <em>could</em> mean only that.  But for reasons already given, and more, I think it&#8217;s much more <em>likely</em> that there&#8217;s more to it than the surface reading.  Let&#8217;s keep in mind that that phrase was something of a last-minute change from the final words she had planned for 17 years &#8211; which tells me there has to be some significance to it.</p>
<p>I like <strong>Lily Luna&#8217;s</strong> reading of the scar-touching.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily Luna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more inclined to think that Harry is touching his scar because he is remembering his own time at Hogwarts while watching his son who looks just like him get on the Hogwarts Express and is hoping Al will have the nice, normal, safe seven years he never got to have.

Although, having said that, it would be interesting to imagine a grandson of Voldemort who inherited his evil personality somehow setting off Harry&#039;s scar again (old Voldemort seems pretty sexless, but young Riddle might have had some (loveless) dalliances that produced offspring unknown to him).

We also might consider Shakespeare&#039;s &quot;All&#039;s Well That Ends Well&quot; as an influence, perhaps an ironic influence, on the DH last line.  Full disclosure: I&#039;ve only read the Wikipedia summary, not the play itself.  But the summary describes some familiar themes of disguises, unrequited love, and hate turning to love at the end (like Harry&#039;s hate of Snape turning into love, as evidenced by what he names his son).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more inclined to think that Harry is touching his scar because he is remembering his own time at Hogwarts while watching his son who looks just like him get on the Hogwarts Express and is hoping Al will have the nice, normal, safe seven years he never got to have.</p>
<p>Although, having said that, it would be interesting to imagine a grandson of Voldemort who inherited his evil personality somehow setting off Harry&#8217;s scar again (old Voldemort seems pretty sexless, but young Riddle might have had some (loveless) dalliances that produced offspring unknown to him).</p>
<p>We also might consider Shakespeare&#8217;s &#8220;All&#8217;s Well That Ends Well&#8221; as an influence, perhaps an ironic influence, on the DH last line.  Full disclosure: I&#8217;ve only read the Wikipedia summary, not the play itself.  But the summary describes some familiar themes of disguises, unrequited love, and hate turning to love at the end (like Harry&#8217;s hate of Snape turning into love, as evidenced by what he names his son).</p>
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		<title>By: Red Rocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Rocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;schmalchemy&lt;/b&gt;, I agree that it could be just that, without any resonance - intentional or otherwise - to other writings. JKR just wanted to say that Harry et al were fine. And the words are pretty simple, after all, and pretty common: all was well.

It&#039;s just that those words have been used by others to denote ideas pretty similar to JKR&#039;s, so we can&#039;t help but wonder.

And for myself, the gesture of touching the scar, the thought that the scar hadn&#039;t bothered him for so long very much suggests an automatic check, someting he does regularly, if not often, just to see, just to be sure. The fact that  he does do it, even after so long, has the barest element of a hint that maybe one day the scar will hurt again, and all will &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>schmalchemy</b>, I agree that it could be just that, without any resonance &#8211; intentional or otherwise &#8211; to other writings. JKR just wanted to say that Harry et al were fine. And the words are pretty simple, after all, and pretty common: all was well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that those words have been used by others to denote ideas pretty similar to JKR&#8217;s, so we can&#8217;t help but wonder.</p>
<p>And for myself, the gesture of touching the scar, the thought that the scar hadn&#8217;t bothered him for so long very much suggests an automatic check, someting he does regularly, if not often, just to see, just to be sure. The fact that  he does do it, even after so long, has the barest element of a hint that maybe one day the scar will hurt again, and all will <i>not</i> be well.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;schmalchemy&lt;/strong&gt;, sure - it makes the most sense that Rowling gives an entire commentary on every train of thought behind every statement she chooses whenever asked about it.

And C.S. Lewis wasn&#039;t secretive about the imaginative key to his books.

And Bob Dylan was always honest in his interviews.

And the fact that Rowling said she was conscious of Goudge&#039;s influence while writing only applied to ... wait, she never did tell us exactly &lt;em&gt;where&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; Goudge directly influenced &lt;em&gt;Harry Potter&lt;/em&gt;.  Hmmm ... maybe Rowling doesn&#039;t tell us everything in her interviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>schmalchemy</strong>, sure &#8211; it makes the most sense that Rowling gives an entire commentary on every train of thought behind every statement she chooses whenever asked about it.</p>
<p>And C.S. Lewis wasn&#8217;t secretive about the imaginative key to his books.</p>
<p>And Bob Dylan was always honest in his interviews.</p>
<p>And the fact that Rowling said she was conscious of Goudge&#8217;s influence while writing only applied to &#8230; wait, she never did tell us exactly <em>where</em> and <em>how</em> Goudge directly influenced <em>Harry Potter</em>.  Hmmm &#8230; maybe Rowling doesn&#8217;t tell us everything in her interviews.</p>
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		<title>By: schmalchemy</title>
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		<dc:creator>schmalchemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other words, Harry (and family) was at peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, Harry (and family) was at peace!</p>
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		<title>By: schmalchemy</title>
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		<dc:creator>schmalchemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be as easy as the words to the song &quot;Taps&quot;?  Or just that what Rowling said in her interview, that she wanted closure for Harry and his family and friends....in other words, Voldemort was not going to come back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be as easy as the words to the song &#8220;Taps&#8221;?  Or just that what Rowling said in her interview, that she wanted closure for Harry and his family and friends&#8230;.in other words, Voldemort was not going to come back</p>
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		<title>By: Perelandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perelandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s also remember the full quotation from Julian: &quot;All shall be well and all shall be well and all shall be very well by the purification of motive in the ground of our beseeching.&quot; Purification, oh were have we run into that before?

The theme of spiritual purification runs through most of Goudge&#039;s books although in THE LITTLE WHITE HORSE reconcilation of opposites (completing a purification of family conflict) is dominant. Anyone who hasn&#039;t read her adult masterpiece THE DEAN&#039;S WATCH, please scurry off and do so now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s also remember the full quotation from Julian: &#8220;All shall be well and all shall be well and all shall be very well by the purification of motive in the ground of our beseeching.&#8221; Purification, oh were have we run into that before?</p>
<p>The theme of spiritual purification runs through most of Goudge&#8217;s books although in THE LITTLE WHITE HORSE reconcilation of opposites (completing a purification of family conflict) is dominant. Anyone who hasn&#8217;t read her adult masterpiece THE DEAN&#8217;S WATCH, please scurry off and do so now!</p>
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