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	<title>Comments on: Lev Grossman&#8217;s &#8216;The Magicians&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: August 12 &#171; Lev Grossman</title>
		<link>http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/lev-grossmans-the-magicians/comment-page-1/#comment-7753</link>
		<dc:creator>August 12 &#171; Lev Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also, for one of the most probing, rigorous investigations of The Magicians that it is ever likely to undergo, take a look at John Granger&#8217;s take at HogwartsProfessor.com. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hogwarts Professor &#183; &#8216;Why There Is No Jewish Narnia&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/lev-grossmans-the-magicians/comment-page-1/#comment-7323</link>
		<dc:creator>Hogwarts Professor &#183; &#8216;Why There Is No Jewish Narnia&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The article also has no little insight about Lev Grossman&#8217;s The Magicians, which he reads as a Jewish meditation on Narnia and the fantasy genre in general. I don&#8217;t think Mr. Grossman would self-report as a &#8220;Jewish writer,&#8221; but his experiment in crossing the psychological novel and portal fantasy, if read as Weingrad suggests it can be, does offer a fresh perspective on the best new novel I read last year. [More on The Magicians here.] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The article also has no little insight about Lev Grossman&#8217;s The Magicians, which he reads as a Jewish meditation on Narnia and the fantasy genre in general. I don&#8217;t think Mr. Grossman would self-report as a &#8220;Jewish writer,&#8221; but his experiment in crossing the psychological novel and portal fantasy, if read as Weingrad suggests it can be, does offer a fresh perspective on the best new novel I read last year. [More on The Magicians here.] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Lost Entwife &#187; The Magicians by Lev Grossman</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Lost Entwife &#187; The Magicians by Lev Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a Glass, Darkly  (who is awesome and you should totally read her blog) recommended an article here . In it, John Granger says, &#8221; The Magicians isn’t ‘Harry Potter for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a Glass, Darkly  (who is awesome and you should totally read her blog) recommended an article here . In it, John Granger says, &#8221; The Magicians isn’t ‘Harry Potter for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think The Magicians as a book, tries to span too much story within one cover.  We cover 4 plus years of magician &#039;U&#039; for gifted &#039;Hogwartians&#039;, then we launch the &#039;bored&#039; what-do-we-do-now characters into the protagonist&#039;s childhood book fantasies and fall through the looking glass into multi-dimensional season changing worlds full of unexpected creatures that don&#039;t play &#039;nice&#039;...
This somewhat reminds me of what Hollywood did to the Dune Trilogy...just the other way around...too much scope for 400 plus pages to consume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think The Magicians as a book, tries to span too much story within one cover.  We cover 4 plus years of magician &#8216;U&#8217; for gifted &#8216;Hogwartians&#8217;, then we launch the &#8216;bored&#8217; what-do-we-do-now characters into the protagonist&#8217;s childhood book fantasies and fall through the looking glass into multi-dimensional season changing worlds full of unexpected creatures that don&#8217;t play &#8216;nice&#8217;&#8230;<br />
This somewhat reminds me of what Hollywood did to the Dune Trilogy&#8230;just the other way around&#8230;too much scope for 400 plus pages to consume.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed The Magicians. The setting was gripping (that&#039;s one of the most important elements that draws me into a book) and it was a very interesting story. The characters seemed to be wandering in a world sans meaning, which made it an interesting experience. Though I can&#039;t know for sure, I wonder if my nonChristian friends experience the world this way. 

Thanks for the review! You&#039;ve added several significant things to my stockpile of things to muse on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed The Magicians. The setting was gripping (that&#8217;s one of the most important elements that draws me into a book) and it was a very interesting story. The characters seemed to be wandering in a world sans meaning, which made it an interesting experience. Though I can&#8217;t know for sure, I wonder if my nonChristian friends experience the world this way. </p>
<p>Thanks for the review! You&#8217;ve added several significant things to my stockpile of things to muse on.</p>
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		<title>By: Around the Common Room</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around the Common Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also reviewed Lev Grossman&#8217;s book, The Magicians. I read a portion of this on my way back from Azkatraz, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RobinG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobinG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to start my comment with a confession. I have a bachelor’s degree in English but knew better than to go on to a master’s degree because a lot of literary criticism frankly goes right over my head. I was always more interested in the psychology of characters—maybe because I’m a writer, myself. So I may be missing a lot of what is supposed to make The Magicians an important or worthwhile book. I only know that I found it depressing to the utmost, and that it came perilously close to sucking the joy out of my own fantasy reading.

Having said all that, I just have to quibble with two of your points in particular. First, that this is the book Rowling probably wishes she could have written. WHY??? I can’t for the life of me fathom why Rowling, whose work was brimming over with rich, complex characters and purpose, would want to write a book with such pathetic, one-dimensional characters. For one example, I could never even figure out why Quentin was so miserable with his home and his parents. Because they were boring? Doesn’t seem like much of a motivation for a wasted life. We see almost nothing of Quentin’s home life, but his one specific memory that I recall is of him playing with his parents in the snow. Harry Potter, on the other hand—I know exactly why his childhood was miserable, and what he longs for because I see it in the Weasleys. If you really think Rowling’s next book will be more like The Magicians, that just fills me with gloom. I need more to uplift and inspire. I can find reasons to fall into depression about the meaninglessness of life all on my own, thank you very much.

Also, I don’t think The Magicians is what would result if you made Neville Longbottom or Eustace Scrubb the star of their stories. Neville may have been timid and incompetent in early life, but he was always full of passion and belief, and he eventually developed the boldness and confidence to become a true hero. Same of Eustace. (And by the way, Eustace  was the hero of the story in one of the books—The Silver Chair, I believe. And he performed quite admirably.) Saying this is what they would have been like IF they had the perspective of Holden Caulfield just makes them completely different people—you could just as well say IF Neville had really been a Death-Eater and decided to help Volemort kill Harry.

In Voyage of the Dawn Treader, when Eustace is turned into a dragon through his own fault, he learns from the experience and becomes a better person. I can’t help but think that Quentin would have just whined and moped about why these things happen to him and why it’s really so boring to be a dragon when it always sounded so wonderful. And his friends would have whined about how unfair the god of that world was to put temptation in people’s paths and then punish them by turning them into a dragon when they yielded.

Sorry for going on like this. But can you tell, I really disliked this book! As Izhilzha said, I seldom enjoy any postmodern novels, so I suppose that&#039;s the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to start my comment with a confession. I have a bachelor’s degree in English but knew better than to go on to a master’s degree because a lot of literary criticism frankly goes right over my head. I was always more interested in the psychology of characters—maybe because I’m a writer, myself. So I may be missing a lot of what is supposed to make The Magicians an important or worthwhile book. I only know that I found it depressing to the utmost, and that it came perilously close to sucking the joy out of my own fantasy reading.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I just have to quibble with two of your points in particular. First, that this is the book Rowling probably wishes she could have written. WHY??? I can’t for the life of me fathom why Rowling, whose work was brimming over with rich, complex characters and purpose, would want to write a book with such pathetic, one-dimensional characters. For one example, I could never even figure out why Quentin was so miserable with his home and his parents. Because they were boring? Doesn’t seem like much of a motivation for a wasted life. We see almost nothing of Quentin’s home life, but his one specific memory that I recall is of him playing with his parents in the snow. Harry Potter, on the other hand—I know exactly why his childhood was miserable, and what he longs for because I see it in the Weasleys. If you really think Rowling’s next book will be more like The Magicians, that just fills me with gloom. I need more to uplift and inspire. I can find reasons to fall into depression about the meaninglessness of life all on my own, thank you very much.</p>
<p>Also, I don’t think The Magicians is what would result if you made Neville Longbottom or Eustace Scrubb the star of their stories. Neville may have been timid and incompetent in early life, but he was always full of passion and belief, and he eventually developed the boldness and confidence to become a true hero. Same of Eustace. (And by the way, Eustace  was the hero of the story in one of the books—The Silver Chair, I believe. And he performed quite admirably.) Saying this is what they would have been like IF they had the perspective of Holden Caulfield just makes them completely different people—you could just as well say IF Neville had really been a Death-Eater and decided to help Volemort kill Harry.</p>
<p>In Voyage of the Dawn Treader, when Eustace is turned into a dragon through his own fault, he learns from the experience and becomes a better person. I can’t help but think that Quentin would have just whined and moped about why these things happen to him and why it’s really so boring to be a dragon when it always sounded so wonderful. And his friends would have whined about how unfair the god of that world was to put temptation in people’s paths and then punish them by turning them into a dragon when they yielded.</p>
<p>Sorry for going on like this. But can you tell, I really disliked this book! As Izhilzha said, I seldom enjoy any postmodern novels, so I suppose that&#8217;s the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Izhilzha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izhilzha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent and insightful review, John; I recently read an early copy of The Magicians and had a very similar reaction. Grossman treats the fantasy elements of the story with deft artistry and understanding, and yet this really is a modern novel rather than a fantastic one.

In fact, reading this book and your review has clarified for me why I almost never enjoy modern novels but devour all kinds of &quot;true&quot; fantasy: the modern novels reflect only the psychological image of human nature, and make me feel afraid of the world inside me, inside us, or seem too shallow, as if something is missing; while fantasy, even those not as obviously faith-driven, click with my experience of the spiritual and seem complete and insightful in a way that modern novels never are.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent and insightful review, John; I recently read an early copy of The Magicians and had a very similar reaction. Grossman treats the fantasy elements of the story with deft artistry and understanding, and yet this really is a modern novel rather than a fantastic one.</p>
<p>In fact, reading this book and your review has clarified for me why I almost never enjoy modern novels but devour all kinds of &#8220;true&#8221; fantasy: the modern novels reflect only the psychological image of human nature, and make me feel afraid of the world inside me, inside us, or seem too shallow, as if something is missing; while fantasy, even those not as obviously faith-driven, click with my experience of the spiritual and seem complete and insightful in a way that modern novels never are.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: oshove</title>
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		<dc:creator>oshove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read your arguments, John. But will this book leave that delightful exsperience of pleasure and joy which is so important in favour of Narnia, Middle Earth and Hogwarts?

Yours
Odd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read your arguments, John. But will this book leave that delightful exsperience of pleasure and joy which is so important in favour of Narnia, Middle Earth and Hogwarts?</p>
<p>Yours<br />
Odd</p>
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		<title>By: revgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>revgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw it yesterday in Barnes &amp; Noble.  Not really interested in reading it anytime soon.  Sorry, Mr. Grossman.</description>
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