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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, of course, there is Barfield&#039;s *What Coleridge Thought.* Barfield, Lewis&#039; &quot;wisest and best unofficial teacher,&quot; wrote the laudatory introduction to Cutsinger&#039;s book and Cutsinger spoke with him at some length while writing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, of course, there is Barfield&#8217;s *What Coleridge Thought.* Barfield, Lewis&#8217; &#8220;wisest and best unofficial teacher,&#8221; wrote the laudatory introduction to Cutsinger&#8217;s book and Cutsinger spoke with him at some length while writing it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guide to Coleridge is James Cutsinger&#039;s *The Form of the Transformed Vision* which may be out of print. To go to the Bard of Ottery St. Mary himself, try *Aids to Reflection.* There are at least two new books on the Romantic tradition vis a vis its influence on the Inklings but I haven&#039;t read them and they&#039;re UK presses and pricey (the one I saw this morning was 45 pounds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guide to Coleridge is James Cutsinger&#8217;s *The Form of the Transformed Vision* which may be out of print. To go to the Bard of Ottery St. Mary himself, try *Aids to Reflection.* There are at least two new books on the Romantic tradition vis a vis its influence on the Inklings but I haven&#8217;t read them and they&#8217;re UK presses and pricey (the one I saw this morning was 45 pounds).</p>
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		<title>By: Chosen66</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chosen66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admittedly, I am on shaky ground with regards to Coleridge and Blake aside from &quot;Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner&quot; and various chimney sweep poems by Blake (and his delightful sketches of Paradise Lost). Anything you would recommend beyond &lt;i&gt;Lectures&lt;/i&gt; that would get into their philosophy or theology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly, I am on shaky ground with regards to Coleridge and Blake aside from &#8220;Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner&#8221; and various chimney sweep poems by Blake (and his delightful sketches of Paradise Lost). Anything you would recommend beyond <i>Lectures</i> that would get into their philosophy or theology?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The challenging image Ms. Rowling gives us at King&#039;s Cross is of an afterlife which is our *real life* even now, behind and within the surface reality we accept as complete. It is the &quot;kingdom of heaven within us&quot; that the Incarnate Logos came to proclaim and showed in the Transfiguration to his still unprepared disciples on Tabor.

Hence Dumbledore&#039;s amusement at Harry&#039;s description of the palace he finds himself in as &quot;King&#039;s Cross&quot; and his Parthian, Coleridgean answer about the reality in your head. Logos is the stuff and substance of mind and everything created beneath the appearances. It may not be gnostic in the heretical sense, if it is gnostic in the way Christ uses the word *gnosis* (and Sts. Paul, Clement, and others), but it is hermetic, sacramental Christianity of a transforming vision -- contra a systematic and juridical Christianity -- in the tradition of English writers from Blake and Coleridge through the Inklings.

I look forward to reading your thoughts on *Lectures.*
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The challenging image Ms. Rowling gives us at King&#8217;s Cross is of an afterlife which is our *real life* even now, behind and within the surface reality we accept as complete. It is the &#8220;kingdom of heaven within us&#8221; that the Incarnate Logos came to proclaim and showed in the Transfiguration to his still unprepared disciples on Tabor.</p>
<p>Hence Dumbledore&#8217;s amusement at Harry&#8217;s description of the palace he finds himself in as &#8220;King&#8217;s Cross&#8221; and his Parthian, Coleridgean answer about the reality in your head. Logos is the stuff and substance of mind and everything created beneath the appearances. It may not be gnostic in the heretical sense, if it is gnostic in the way Christ uses the word *gnosis* (and Sts. Paul, Clement, and others), but it is hermetic, sacramental Christianity of a transforming vision &#8212; contra a systematic and juridical Christianity &#8212; in the tradition of English writers from Blake and Coleridge through the Inklings.</p>
<p>I look forward to reading your thoughts on *Lectures.*<br />
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		<title>By: Chosen66</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chosen66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, once again, thanks for the correction. DHL hasn&#039;t come in for me yet; I ordered it this week. I agree with your analysis, but what I think I was getting at is what seems (at least to me) to be this fundamental denial that we can come back from death in anything beyond the ghostly image by the resurrection stone, which is different from the emphasis of the New Testament on the redemption of &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; creation into the New Creation. (I don&#039;t quite Harry&#039;s resurrection here because he technically wasn&#039;t actually dead, which was her point too).

I think I was interacting less with the mystical King&#039;s Cross, on which I basically agree with you, and more with her reinterpretation of 1 Cor. 15:26. The point of the verse is not what Hermione says it is. She says, &quot;It means . . . you know . . . living beyond death. Living after death,&quot; (p. 328). But this is precisely not what the verse is saying. She literally inverts the meaning of the text. It is saying that when we are physically resurrected, death will be defeated because it cannot hold us. She wants it to say that &quot;going on&quot; itself is victory over death, but in 1 Cor. 15, Paul&#039;s point is that we die because the curse of death is still upon the world, but one day it too will be completely rolled back and everybody comes out of the graves. It is not speaking so much of life after death as it is speaking of life &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; life after death. So, I think, regardless of the mystical King&#039;s Cross, she actually did reinterpret the passage into teaching that we go off to heaven when we die, instead of that we come back from heaven and get our bodies back. Maybe I&#039;m over thinking the point, but as far as I can tell, that&#039;s what she seems to be saying.

I don&#039;t think her theology is wholly Greek/gnostic (the soul escapes off to heaven forever and nevermind about this world) or wholly Scriptural (we will live in a glorified, physical creation which is this &lt;i&gt;same&lt;/i&gt; creation, only without sin and with God present as He is in heaven, since after all, heaven comes to earth in the end). As far as I can see it in DH, and keep in mind I haven&#039;t yet read the Lectures and I am more than happy to be wrong here, she seems to stand between the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, once again, thanks for the correction. DHL hasn&#8217;t come in for me yet; I ordered it this week. I agree with your analysis, but what I think I was getting at is what seems (at least to me) to be this fundamental denial that we can come back from death in anything beyond the ghostly image by the resurrection stone, which is different from the emphasis of the New Testament on the redemption of <i>this</i> creation into the New Creation. (I don&#8217;t quite Harry&#8217;s resurrection here because he technically wasn&#8217;t actually dead, which was her point too).</p>
<p>I think I was interacting less with the mystical King&#8217;s Cross, on which I basically agree with you, and more with her reinterpretation of 1 Cor. 15:26. The point of the verse is not what Hermione says it is. She says, &#8220;It means . . . you know . . . living beyond death. Living after death,&#8221; (p. 328). But this is precisely not what the verse is saying. She literally inverts the meaning of the text. It is saying that when we are physically resurrected, death will be defeated because it cannot hold us. She wants it to say that &#8220;going on&#8221; itself is victory over death, but in 1 Cor. 15, Paul&#8217;s point is that we die because the curse of death is still upon the world, but one day it too will be completely rolled back and everybody comes out of the graves. It is not speaking so much of life after death as it is speaking of life <i>after</i> life after death. So, I think, regardless of the mystical King&#8217;s Cross, she actually did reinterpret the passage into teaching that we go off to heaven when we die, instead of that we come back from heaven and get our bodies back. Maybe I&#8217;m over thinking the point, but as far as I can tell, that&#8217;s what she seems to be saying.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think her theology is wholly Greek/gnostic (the soul escapes off to heaven forever and nevermind about this world) or wholly Scriptural (we will live in a glorified, physical creation which is this <i>same</i> creation, only without sin and with God present as He is in heaven, since after all, heaven comes to earth in the end). As far as I can see it in DH, and keep in mind I haven&#8217;t yet read the Lectures and I am more than happy to be wrong here, she seems to stand between the two.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm. You have to read my book!

But in case you&#039;re waiting for it to come to your library, please note right off that the palace Harry thinks of as King&#039;s Cross is not &quot;some kind of ethereal, platonic, not-physical plane.&quot; Read the chapter again. It is a place where Harry is all but omniscient, where his thoughts create physical objects, and where the dead walk in radiant, luminous bodies, but it cannot be described as &quot;non-physical.&quot; Rowling takes great pains to have Harry confirm the sensually experienced reality of this non-local, atemporal place. Hence the importance of the final Dumbledore-Harry exchange.

Which I explain in Chapter 5 of *The Deathly Hallows Lectures.* Harry is not in a &quot;heaven&quot; that is other but in the &quot;kingdom of heaven&quot; that is within, behind, and beneath the surfaces of reality, the &quot;inside greater than the outside,&quot; to use Lewis&#039; language and a Rowling theme.

This is the New Creation, New Jerusalem, etc, because it is the unity of existence, the creative rational principle that is the Divine 2nd Hypostasis, the Logos that is in every man (John 1:9), the light of the world (John 8:12), and the eye that is the light of the body (Matthew 6:23; this passage being especially important because of the DH eye symbolism, Dumbledore&#039;s luminescent body, and the Ariana gravestone scripture which is the verse in Matthew 6 immediately before it).

Anyway, I don&#039;t go into the resurrection theology in my book, but I&#039;m confident if you do read that chapter you&#039;ll see where you wrong to assume Rowling&#039;s &#039;afterlife&#039; is otherworldly and a cop out. She&#039;s right in the heart of Coleridgean natural theology, which seems awe-fully biblical and patristic to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm. You have to read my book!</p>
<p>But in case you&#8217;re waiting for it to come to your library, please note right off that the palace Harry thinks of as King&#8217;s Cross is not &#8220;some kind of ethereal, platonic, not-physical plane.&#8221; Read the chapter again. It is a place where Harry is all but omniscient, where his thoughts create physical objects, and where the dead walk in radiant, luminous bodies, but it cannot be described as &#8220;non-physical.&#8221; Rowling takes great pains to have Harry confirm the sensually experienced reality of this non-local, atemporal place. Hence the importance of the final Dumbledore-Harry exchange.</p>
<p>Which I explain in Chapter 5 of *The Deathly Hallows Lectures.* Harry is not in a &#8220;heaven&#8221; that is other but in the &#8220;kingdom of heaven&#8221; that is within, behind, and beneath the surfaces of reality, the &#8220;inside greater than the outside,&#8221; to use Lewis&#8217; language and a Rowling theme.</p>
<p>This is the New Creation, New Jerusalem, etc, because it is the unity of existence, the creative rational principle that is the Divine 2nd Hypostasis, the Logos that is in every man (John 1:9), the light of the world (John 8:12), and the eye that is the light of the body (Matthew 6:23; this passage being especially important because of the DH eye symbolism, Dumbledore&#8217;s luminescent body, and the Ariana gravestone scripture which is the verse in Matthew 6 immediately before it).</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t go into the resurrection theology in my book, but I&#8217;m confident if you do read that chapter you&#8217;ll see where you wrong to assume Rowling&#8217;s &#8216;afterlife&#8217; is otherworldly and a cop out. She&#8217;s right in the heart of Coleridgean natural theology, which seems awe-fully biblical and patristic to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chosen66</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chosen66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I continue to be both pleased with Rowling&#039;s dealing with death and also saddened that she did not incorporate actual resurrection theology into the story. It&#039;s like she&#039;s standing between platonism and the Resurrection. You &quot;go on,&quot; but there is no coming back. Christianity would not agree; heaven isn&#039;t the end, it is the waystation back to the New Creation. The metaphysical level of her story is that the victory over death is heaven, not Christ bursting the  hold of death over creation, and it is interesting to see how she reinterpreted 1 Cor. 15:26 away from bodily resurrection into some kind of ethereal, platonic, not-physical plane in DH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue to be both pleased with Rowling&#8217;s dealing with death and also saddened that she did not incorporate actual resurrection theology into the story. It&#8217;s like she&#8217;s standing between platonism and the Resurrection. You &#8220;go on,&#8221; but there is no coming back. Christianity would not agree; heaven isn&#8217;t the end, it is the waystation back to the New Creation. The metaphysical level of her story is that the victory over death is heaven, not Christ bursting the  hold of death over creation, and it is interesting to see how she reinterpreted 1 Cor. 15:26 away from bodily resurrection into some kind of ethereal, platonic, not-physical plane in DH.</p>
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		<title>By: pj</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, John...I didn&#039;t mean to derail re: the veil having a front/back. I was actually revisiting that room in my mind, circling the raised dais from the floor level when Jo&#039;s description of Harry&#039;s movement around the arch popped into focus.

That&#039;s why I asked the question! Thanks for answering :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, John&#8230;I didn&#8217;t mean to derail re: the veil having a front/back. I was actually revisiting that room in my mind, circling the raised dais from the floor level when Jo&#8217;s description of Harry&#8217;s movement around the arch popped into focus.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I asked the question! Thanks for answering <img src='http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guybrush: As far as I know, Ms. Rowling&#039;s having written the Hogwarts textbook has never been questioned. I suspect, too, if anyone could resist the pull of money in writing a Hogwarts sequel or prequel it would be Ms. Rowling. I would not be surprised, though, if Warner Brothers, following Amazon&#039;s lead with *Beedle* doesn&#039;t invoke the charity option to see if that won&#039;t create at least a movie screenplay from the author. One book to create the funds necessary to defeat MS? I think she would start writing tomorrow.

PJ: You lost me on front and back to the Veil. The ampitheatre setting and circular dais are supposed to suggest the &quot;circle has no beginning&quot; as Luna put it in DH, i.e., no front or back, just a center which is a principle or non-temporal non-local origin. With the King&#039;s Cross experience post AK in Hallows, we see here the mystery of death as the unity of existence behind all surfaces (something I explain at length in *The Deathly Hallows Lecyures*).

Felicity, I&#039;m moving discussion of your Luna point to its own thread. Again, it is wonderful to have you back on the HogPro boards. Your find that Ms. Rowling misrepresented Ron&#039;s reaction to the veil as fear when we have nothing in text for that position and when Hermione is clearly border line hysterical was golden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guybrush: As far as I know, Ms. Rowling&#8217;s having written the Hogwarts textbook has never been questioned. I suspect, too, if anyone could resist the pull of money in writing a Hogwarts sequel or prequel it would be Ms. Rowling. I would not be surprised, though, if Warner Brothers, following Amazon&#8217;s lead with *Beedle* doesn&#8217;t invoke the charity option to see if that won&#8217;t create at least a movie screenplay from the author. One book to create the funds necessary to defeat MS? I think she would start writing tomorrow.</p>
<p>PJ: You lost me on front and back to the Veil. The ampitheatre setting and circular dais are supposed to suggest the &#8220;circle has no beginning&#8221; as Luna put it in DH, i.e., no front or back, just a center which is a principle or non-temporal non-local origin. With the King&#8217;s Cross experience post AK in Hallows, we see here the mystery of death as the unity of existence behind all surfaces (something I explain at length in *The Deathly Hallows Lecyures*).</p>
<p>Felicity, I&#8217;m moving discussion of your Luna point to its own thread. Again, it is wonderful to have you back on the HogPro boards. Your find that Ms. Rowling misrepresented Ron&#8217;s reaction to the veil as fear when we have nothing in text for that position and when Hermione is clearly border line hysterical was golden.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, John

I wish I can email you this, but I don&#039;t see a &quot;contact the webmaster&quot; link on your site so I will leave this question in the comment section.  :)

Did Jk rowling indeed write the mini books &quot;Quidditch through the ages&quot; and &quot;fantastic beasts and where to find them&quot; or did  some editor simply get some subjects on the books and elaborated on them?

other then that I&#039;m really escited to read &quot;Harry, a history&quot; this fall, including the deathly hallows lectures.  I&#039;m glad to see there are still some exciting things coming from the world of J.K. rowling.  I thought it would all end the minute I turned the last page of Hallows.  However, it is kind of silly thinking that these franchises would actually stop.  George Lucas and Rowling are making way too much money of their creations to suddenly put a stop to them.  Remember when Lucas said that their would be no more space adventures after Episode III, now not only did we get another theatrical release this summer, but were getting a whole television show, including a live action one comin soon starring Madonna!!  Also, remember when Rowling said that she would kill Harry after the last book?  Then one day I read, &quot;Maybe I&#039;ll write one more book when Harry is an adult&quot;  To be honest, I don&#039;t like the thought of these things stopping but sometimes you have to say goodbye to these things during the exciting part.  Remember when C.S. lewis was asked if he would write anymore Narnia books, he stated that it is better to stop when the people are wanting more.
-Joel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, John</p>
<p>I wish I can email you this, but I don&#8217;t see a &#8220;contact the webmaster&#8221; link on your site so I will leave this question in the comment section.  <img src='http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Did Jk rowling indeed write the mini books &#8220;Quidditch through the ages&#8221; and &#8220;fantastic beasts and where to find them&#8221; or did  some editor simply get some subjects on the books and elaborated on them?</p>
<p>other then that I&#8217;m really escited to read &#8220;Harry, a history&#8221; this fall, including the deathly hallows lectures.  I&#8217;m glad to see there are still some exciting things coming from the world of J.K. rowling.  I thought it would all end the minute I turned the last page of Hallows.  However, it is kind of silly thinking that these franchises would actually stop.  George Lucas and Rowling are making way too much money of their creations to suddenly put a stop to them.  Remember when Lucas said that their would be no more space adventures after Episode III, now not only did we get another theatrical release this summer, but were getting a whole television show, including a live action one comin soon starring Madonna!!  Also, remember when Rowling said that she would kill Harry after the last book?  Then one day I read, &#8220;Maybe I&#8217;ll write one more book when Harry is an adult&#8221;  To be honest, I don&#8217;t like the thought of these things stopping but sometimes you have to say goodbye to these things during the exciting part.  Remember when C.S. lewis was asked if he would write anymore Narnia books, he stated that it is better to stop when the people are wanting more.<br />
-Joel</p>
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