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		<title>By: jensenly</title>
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		<dc:creator>jensenly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - here goes a fairly simple answer to your question &quot;Why are these books so popular?&quot;

Because Edward is &quot;The Prince&quot; in a modern day fairy tale.  And we all know what sort of fairy tales young girls are brought up on.

He&#039;s the handsome, strong, all-protecting, knight-in-shining-armor to her damsel-in-distress (on the surface, anyway. It&#039;s safe to assume that young girls aren&#039;t concerned or mature enough to recognize underlying flaws in fictional characters).  It&#039;s a teenage girl&#039;s dream to have someone like Edward and they CAN have him by vicariously living through Bella.

I am completely embarrassed to admit this, but when I was 16 I read &quot;Sweet, Savage Love&quot; and thought I had died and gone to heaven.  As a teenage girl, I was thrilled to be reading a book that made my heart race and skin tingle.  I suppose Twilight does the same for this generation of girls, but in a contemporary setting.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s any more complicated than that!

(My 17 year old daughter once commented that boys her own age were &quot;dumb&quot;.  When surrounded by &quot;dumb&quot; boys, what teenage girl wouldn&#039;t swoon over the uber-perfect fantasy man-boy Edward?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; here goes a fairly simple answer to your question &#8220;Why are these books so popular?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because Edward is &#8220;The Prince&#8221; in a modern day fairy tale.  And we all know what sort of fairy tales young girls are brought up on.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s the handsome, strong, all-protecting, knight-in-shining-armor to her damsel-in-distress (on the surface, anyway. It&#8217;s safe to assume that young girls aren&#8217;t concerned or mature enough to recognize underlying flaws in fictional characters).  It&#8217;s a teenage girl&#8217;s dream to have someone like Edward and they CAN have him by vicariously living through Bella.</p>
<p>I am completely embarrassed to admit this, but when I was 16 I read &#8220;Sweet, Savage Love&#8221; and thought I had died and gone to heaven.  As a teenage girl, I was thrilled to be reading a book that made my heart race and skin tingle.  I suppose Twilight does the same for this generation of girls, but in a contemporary setting.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s any more complicated than that!</p>
<p>(My 17 year old daughter once commented that boys her own age were &#8220;dumb&#8221;.  When surrounded by &#8220;dumb&#8221; boys, what teenage girl wouldn&#8217;t swoon over the uber-perfect fantasy man-boy Edward?)</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If I edited this book, it would be *at least* 200 pages shorter and move briskly, shorn of each repititive sigh, pout and brow furrow/eye reference. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Arabella&lt;/strong&gt;, yes, yes, yes.

I agree, there&#039;s &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt; in the story worth finding, but I can&#039;t wade through the silliness and repetitive eye-rolling, sighing, fainting, bouts of tachycardia and third degree heart block.

&quot;I can&#039;t recommend it, though. It&#039;s okay/pretty good in some parts.&quot;  That about sums the whole experience up for me.  It&#039;s just that all the bad parts far outweigh the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If I edited this book, it would be *at least* 200 pages shorter and move briskly, shorn of each repititive sigh, pout and brow furrow/eye reference. </em></p>
<p><strong>Arabella</strong>, yes, yes, yes.</p>
<p>I agree, there&#8217;s <em>something</em> in the story worth finding, but I can&#8217;t wade through the silliness and repetitive eye-rolling, sighing, fainting, bouts of tachycardia and third degree heart block.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can&#8217;t recommend it, though. It&#8217;s okay/pretty good in some parts.&#8221;  That about sums the whole experience up for me.  It&#8217;s just that all the bad parts far outweigh the good.</p>
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		<title>By: Arabella Figg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabella Figg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m fishtailing on the literary icy road.

I&#039;m through the forest glade scene and Cullen family intro, which is pretty decent. But once past the expositional part, and into seemingly unending pages of Harlequin mush, I find myself thinking &quot;oh, puh-leeze.&quot; If I edited this book, it would be *at least* 200 pages shorter and move briskly, shorn of each repititive sigh, pout and brow furrow/eye reference. I&#039;m impatient to be done with this bloated tome and doubt I&#039;ll read the rest.

That said, there is still merit in the book. It&#039;s best when it sticks to what story there is, and would vastly improve without all the clunky romantic detail. Including Bella&#039;s/Edward&#039;s imappropriate and yes, &quot;eye-rolling&quot; bedroom scene; ditto Edward&#039;s voyuerism. It would be better yet if Bella had a fully realized personality and any--any!--interior conflict of her own.

Edward is still a compelling metaphor for our own struggle with the beast within (sin). His anguish over his baser impulses and instincts that would destroy what he values and loves, and including his own self-respect, resonates well. As does his gradual mastery of himself.

Kitties abound in baser impulses, and if you don&#039;t like it, tough...

P.S. To Travis--I haven&#039;t done a 180 on the book; I&#039;ve just reversed some thinking about it--a few times!   ;-)  I can&#039;t say I&#039;d recommend it, though. It&#039;s okay/pretty good in parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m fishtailing on the literary icy road.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m through the forest glade scene and Cullen family intro, which is pretty decent. But once past the expositional part, and into seemingly unending pages of Harlequin mush, I find myself thinking &#8220;oh, puh-leeze.&#8221; If I edited this book, it would be *at least* 200 pages shorter and move briskly, shorn of each repititive sigh, pout and brow furrow/eye reference. I&#8217;m impatient to be done with this bloated tome and doubt I&#8217;ll read the rest.</p>
<p>That said, there is still merit in the book. It&#8217;s best when it sticks to what story there is, and would vastly improve without all the clunky romantic detail. Including Bella&#8217;s/Edward&#8217;s imappropriate and yes, &#8220;eye-rolling&#8221; bedroom scene; ditto Edward&#8217;s voyuerism. It would be better yet if Bella had a fully realized personality and any&#8211;any!&#8211;interior conflict of her own.</p>
<p>Edward is still a compelling metaphor for our own struggle with the beast within (sin). His anguish over his baser impulses and instincts that would destroy what he values and loves, and including his own self-respect, resonates well. As does his gradual mastery of himself.</p>
<p>Kitties abound in baser impulses, and if you don&#8217;t like it, tough&#8230;</p>
<p>P.S. To Travis&#8211;I haven&#8217;t done a 180 on the book; I&#8217;ve just reversed some thinking about it&#8211;a few times!   <img src='http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;d recommend it, though. It&#8217;s okay/pretty good in parts.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, MaggieMay, you did start this thread rolling so I think I&#039;ll use your catch up as the closer. Please start read and comment on &lt;a href=&quot;http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=618&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the new post for Twilight and Harry Potter&lt;/a&gt; I just put up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, MaggieMay, you did start this thread rolling so I think I&#8217;ll use your catch up as the closer. Please start read and comment on <a href="http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=618" rel="nofollow">the new post for Twilight and Harry Potter</a> I just put up!</p>
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		<title>By: maggiemay</title>
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		<dc:creator>maggiemay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, did I start all this?  I asked John to comment on the series because I wanted him to point out some redeeming qualities.  A friend and I decided to read it in early December in an attempt to relate better to our teenage daughters, although we were both embarrassed by having to go into a store and purchase it.  We are both middle-aged, lots of kids, long-time husbands.  In other words, dead to romance, or so we thought!  Other than Harry and some classics, we generally prefer non-fiction.  We were both mortified to realize that Edward was making our long-dead hearts race!  We tried very hard to figure out why, and came up with a few ideas, but admittedly, these may be only to assuage our guilt.  First was the appeal of a flawless immortality, which you can’t deny the closer you get to 50…
Second, Edward is a sort of savior figure because he decides to live among mortals and love one of them even though he is vastly superior in body and mind.  He has immortality to offer Bella, but won’t force it on her, it must be her decision to follow him.  He is a protector, someone who invites you to lay your head on his chest and be at rest.  Just typing that sentence makes me squeamish, but I’m trying to be honest.  It’s a sort of spiritual longing and maybe that’s one reason why women especially love romance novels.  I don’t plan on reading any more of them, but I’ve often wondered why they were so popular and felt sort of smug that I wasn’t the type to read that “trash.”  Well, OK there is romance in Austen but it’s so very well suffocated in the characters. One last observation, although this isn&#039;t related to racing heartbeats.  In Breaking Dawn, the last book of the series, the leader of the worldwide vampires, Aro, says, “How ironic it is that as humans advance, as their faith in science grows and controls their world, the more free we are from discovery”. He goes on to say that the vampires are uninhibited by human disbelief in the supernatural.  This immediately reminded me of some points that John made in Looking for God in Harry Potter regarding contemplation of the supernatural world being a very positive contribution of Harry Potter, and I believe that would apply to Twilight as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, did I start all this?  I asked John to comment on the series because I wanted him to point out some redeeming qualities.  A friend and I decided to read it in early December in an attempt to relate better to our teenage daughters, although we were both embarrassed by having to go into a store and purchase it.  We are both middle-aged, lots of kids, long-time husbands.  In other words, dead to romance, or so we thought!  Other than Harry and some classics, we generally prefer non-fiction.  We were both mortified to realize that Edward was making our long-dead hearts race!  We tried very hard to figure out why, and came up with a few ideas, but admittedly, these may be only to assuage our guilt.  First was the appeal of a flawless immortality, which you can’t deny the closer you get to 50…<br />
Second, Edward is a sort of savior figure because he decides to live among mortals and love one of them even though he is vastly superior in body and mind.  He has immortality to offer Bella, but won’t force it on her, it must be her decision to follow him.  He is a protector, someone who invites you to lay your head on his chest and be at rest.  Just typing that sentence makes me squeamish, but I’m trying to be honest.  It’s a sort of spiritual longing and maybe that’s one reason why women especially love romance novels.  I don’t plan on reading any more of them, but I’ve often wondered why they were so popular and felt sort of smug that I wasn’t the type to read that “trash.”  Well, OK there is romance in Austen but it’s so very well suffocated in the characters. One last observation, although this isn&#8217;t related to racing heartbeats.  In Breaking Dawn, the last book of the series, the leader of the worldwide vampires, Aro, says, “How ironic it is that as humans advance, as their faith in science grows and controls their world, the more free we are from discovery”. He goes on to say that the vampires are uninhibited by human disbelief in the supernatural.  This immediately reminded me of some points that John made in Looking for God in Harry Potter regarding contemplation of the supernatural world being a very positive contribution of Harry Potter, and I believe that would apply to Twilight as well.</p>
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		<title>By: k2theforrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>k2theforrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit that the original post is what made me read the books. I have been passively participating on this site for a while... well, really since a certain chapel series at Biola that kicked me off my high horse, made me eat my words and read Harry Potter. A friend of mine bought &quot;How Harry Cast His Spell&quot; and out of sheer curiosity and a healthy dose of peer pressure (which incidently was also made me go to the chapel on *gasp* Harry Potter), I decided to read the books. I was on the same high horse about the Twilight books and didn&#039;t even realize it until I read the post. Not wanting to actually buy or read the books, I downloaded the audiobooks. (This is my way of being able to deny having read the books if I don&#039;t like them and decide that I did in fact have reason to be ashamed of having read them.) After having listened to all four of the books now, I can say that I am glad that I didn&#039;t take the time to read them and that I took in the sory in a way that didn&#039;t require complete attention.

I liked the first book fairly well. I can say without a doubt that the pacing in the books was terrible and could have used some serious editing.

&quot;They are whiny, they are angsty, and they are just this side of emo.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t agree more.

Just when I thought I couldn&#039;t take anymore of Bella&#039;s droning about how perfect Edward is and how she didn&#039;t deserve him, things got very interesting. I have to say that Stephenie Meyers did somehow make me care enough about the fate of these characters that when the real action started, I had to keep reading.

For anyone who is going to read the whole series, be prepared for the second and third book. There is enough angst in those two books to rival an entire album of 90&#039;s grunge (incidently, also from the Seattle area...). It really bothered me that Bella would fall apart so completely just because Edward left. It bothered me a good deal that Bella&#039;s happiness was so dependant on Edward.

Despite the gore of the fourth book, I liked it the best. It just plain had the most happening in it, and that is probably why.

I do think that there is real merit in the series and that it does deserve a real second look for it&#039;s deeper message and themes, but I simply do not have the patience to spend that much time in Bella&#039;s head again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit that the original post is what made me read the books. I have been passively participating on this site for a while&#8230; well, really since a certain chapel series at Biola that kicked me off my high horse, made me eat my words and read Harry Potter. A friend of mine bought &#8220;How Harry Cast His Spell&#8221; and out of sheer curiosity and a healthy dose of peer pressure (which incidently was also made me go to the chapel on *gasp* Harry Potter), I decided to read the books. I was on the same high horse about the Twilight books and didn&#8217;t even realize it until I read the post. Not wanting to actually buy or read the books, I downloaded the audiobooks. (This is my way of being able to deny having read the books if I don&#8217;t like them and decide that I did in fact have reason to be ashamed of having read them.) After having listened to all four of the books now, I can say that I am glad that I didn&#8217;t take the time to read them and that I took in the sory in a way that didn&#8217;t require complete attention.</p>
<p>I liked the first book fairly well. I can say without a doubt that the pacing in the books was terrible and could have used some serious editing.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are whiny, they are angsty, and they are just this side of emo.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>Just when I thought I couldn&#8217;t take anymore of Bella&#8217;s droning about how perfect Edward is and how she didn&#8217;t deserve him, things got very interesting. I have to say that Stephenie Meyers did somehow make me care enough about the fate of these characters that when the real action started, I had to keep reading.</p>
<p>For anyone who is going to read the whole series, be prepared for the second and third book. There is enough angst in those two books to rival an entire album of 90&#8242;s grunge (incidently, also from the Seattle area&#8230;). It really bothered me that Bella would fall apart so completely just because Edward left. It bothered me a good deal that Bella&#8217;s happiness was so dependant on Edward.</p>
<p>Despite the gore of the fourth book, I liked it the best. It just plain had the most happening in it, and that is probably why.</p>
<p>I do think that there is real merit in the series and that it does deserve a real second look for it&#8217;s deeper message and themes, but I simply do not have the patience to spend that much time in Bella&#8217;s head again.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that Travis is not far off the mark at all. Painful is just a bit conservative for my estimation. Aside from poor prose and generally Eragon-esque mistakes, the books lack a driving narrative (in one book our protagonist is in a coma) and has an overabundance of irrelevant or superfluous content. And so far as I can tell, were we to break down the story, at the core we find a teenage boy who stalks a girl and hangs out outside her window and so forth, and a teenage girl who is a doormat for his every whim. They are whiny, they are angsty, and they are just this side of emo. The term &quot;gender confusion&quot; suggests far too much, but there is still a deep-set confusion on the subject latent in the books in my estimation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that Travis is not far off the mark at all. Painful is just a bit conservative for my estimation. Aside from poor prose and generally Eragon-esque mistakes, the books lack a driving narrative (in one book our protagonist is in a coma) and has an overabundance of irrelevant or superfluous content. And so far as I can tell, were we to break down the story, at the core we find a teenage boy who stalks a girl and hangs out outside her window and so forth, and a teenage girl who is a doormat for his every whim. They are whiny, they are angsty, and they are just this side of emo. The term &#8220;gender confusion&#8221; suggests far too much, but there is still a deep-set confusion on the subject latent in the books in my estimation.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Part of the dumbing down of our culture?&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Arabella&lt;/strong&gt;, yes, I think so. I don&#039;t want to be an alarmist, mind you. Every age has those who lament that we&#039;re getting dumber than ... [insert supposed good ol&#039; days golden age of your choice].  But I think it&#039;s perfectly fair to say that as far as having the patience to read great literature goes, our culture doesn&#039;t usually tolerate it.  We&#039;re a fast-paced, stimulus-driven, thrill-seeking age, &quot;amusing ourselves to death,&quot; as Postman wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Part of the dumbing down of our culture?</em></p>
<p><strong>Arabella</strong>, yes, I think so. I don&#8217;t want to be an alarmist, mind you. Every age has those who lament that we&#8217;re getting dumber than &#8230; [insert supposed good ol' days golden age of your choice].  But I think it&#8217;s perfectly fair to say that as far as having the patience to read great literature goes, our culture doesn&#8217;t usually tolerate it.  We&#8217;re a fast-paced, stimulus-driven, thrill-seeking age, &#8220;amusing ourselves to death,&#8221; as Postman wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Arabella Figg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arabella Figg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis, I&#039;m sure it&#039;s Bella. Because my reaction to Meyer&#039;s writing was also so visceral. As a first-person narrator, she&#039;s maddening (even in reread). Her passive acceptance of the incredible, without any interior conflict, is preposterous; an embarrassing contrast to the portrayal of third-person Edward. Add Meyer&#039;s unfortunate case of adverb/adjectivitis.... There is no one more surprised than myself over my J-turn. Who knows, with reading the other books, I may pop that reverse again and get full value out of my medical benefits.

You write: &quot;Titanic was popular. Danielle Steele is popular. Da Vinci Code was insanely popular. It’s all bad art. People don’t like it because it’s bad, but it’s not automatically good because a lot of people like it.&quot; Having seen Titanic and read a couple of very early Steele&#039;s, &quot;I second that emotion.&quot; Part of the dumbing down of our culture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis, I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s Bella. Because my reaction to Meyer&#8217;s writing was also so visceral. As a first-person narrator, she&#8217;s maddening (even in reread). Her passive acceptance of the incredible, without any interior conflict, is preposterous; an embarrassing contrast to the portrayal of third-person Edward. Add Meyer&#8217;s unfortunate case of adverb/adjectivitis&#8230;. There is no one more surprised than myself over my J-turn. Who knows, with reading the other books, I may pop that reverse again and get full value out of my medical benefits.</p>
<p>You write: &#8220;Titanic was popular. Danielle Steele is popular. Da Vinci Code was insanely popular. It’s all bad art. People don’t like it because it’s bad, but it’s not automatically good because a lot of people like it.&#8221; Having seen Titanic and read a couple of very early Steele&#8217;s, &#8220;I second that emotion.&#8221; Part of the dumbing down of our culture?</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;LibraryLily&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for your thoughtful response.  You&#039;re the third person now who&#039;s told me the writing style I had a visceral reaction to in the first book is not as bad in the latter books, especially when there are perspective changes (part of one book is from Jacob&#039;s perspective?).  So I may need to return to the latter books and see if it&#039;s just 16-year-old Bella I can&#039;t stand!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>LibraryLily</strong>, thanks for your thoughtful response.  You&#8217;re the third person now who&#8217;s told me the writing style I had a visceral reaction to in the first book is not as bad in the latter books, especially when there are perspective changes (part of one book is from Jacob&#8217;s perspective?).  So I may need to return to the latter books and see if it&#8217;s just 16-year-old Bella I can&#8217;t stand!</p>
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