Crimes of Grindelwald: Deleted Scenes

Leta Lestrange was robbed. And so were viewers of Crimes of Grindelwald.

A big challenge, perhaps the biggest challenge, in reading J. K. Rowling’s new film Crimes of Grindelwald is getting at what she wrote versus what wound up in the film we see and in the ‘Original Screenplay’ that is published. That screenplay, once again, is anything but ‘original;’ it is — with notable differences here and there –just a printed version of the final director’s cut. We know we do not have the original screenplay Rowling wrote or even the approved shooting script that Yates used because of (1) the number of deleted scenes that actors mention in their junket interviews before and after the premiere, (2) the scenes we saw in the movie trailers that are not in the released version, and (3) notes in the final script that was published.

The first task of a serious reader of the script, consequently, is hunting down as many of the deleted scenes as have been revealed and to try to figure out where they fit in the movie as edited by Yates (to conform to blockbuster formula and theater time constraints). As we saw in the first Fantastic Beasts franchise film, a reader making this effort is rewarded with key insights about the structure and focus of what Rowling wrote (cf., The Six Scenes You Missed in Fantastic Beasts (and a Seventh) and Fantastic Beasts Revelations from the Far Side Sources). A tragedy with the second film is that we do not have a LEGO movie as we did the first time, a version that used the shooting script rather than the director’s cut so it could be made for the LEGO set’s release simultaneously with the movie. No such luck this time…

I have not been following the interviews with Crimes of Grindelwald actors as I did for the first film and I failed, too, to keep up with all the trailers and movie-still-photography releases from Warner Brothers in the year of pump-priming before we could watch the final version. Kelly Loomis, our HogPro All-Pro on the spot, however, has had her fingers on this film’s media pulse from the very beginning so I asked, begged really, if she could put together a guide to the deleted scenes we know are out there that puts them in sequence with respect to the ‘Original Screenplay’ published scene numbers. You’ll find this invaluable resource — and three notes I’ve made about what the deleted scenes tell us we miss in the Leta, Credence-Nagini, and Queenie stories — after the jump! Thank you, Kelly!

Three Notes on What the Deleted Scenes Tell Us: Leta, Credence-Nagini, and Queenie

(1) Leta Lestrange is the Star of the Shooting Script: Go ahead and count the scenes about Leta’s character that don’t make it into the final cut. There’s the dance scene filmed in the same blue light as the Ampitheater finale (I assume where she meets Theseus or makes contact with Grindelwald’s gang, a parallel that explains Gellert’s conversation with her before she blasts his skull-hookah). And the pub scene with Newt and Theseus, in which I guess Theseus asks him to be his best man and they touch on their shared love for the same woman). And the Dumbledore conversation with Minerva McGonagall, in which I’m guessing they talk about Leta’s time at Hogwarts. Leta and Theseus have a good talk at Hogwarts, too, but we miss out on that which empties their French Ministry exchange of context. And the battle scene with the Ministry cats. And her full flashback scene in the Mausoleum. As it is, Leta’s story is truncated and her telling, “I love you” to both Newt and Theseus in the climactic battle leaves viewers saying, “Huh?” Her tale of the Corvus Lestrange death on the ship seems to come out of nowhere even with the boggart set-up — and we get hardly a clue about her supposed “wickedness” or relationship with Dumbledore or Grindelwald before she disappears in the Amphitheater flames (my guess is that she is the character to whom Rowling is referring when she says what you think you thought you saw ain’t what happened). Leta was robbed and we all suffered for her fate in the editing of the shooting script’s film.

(2) Credence-Nagini Wound Up on the Cutting Room Floor, Too: A scene we saw on the trailers, the one in which Nagini and Credence are talking on the rooftop in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower and in which Credence demonstrates that he is now able to control his Obscurus, didn’t make it to the movie. What we get instead is Nagini just happening to be on the roof, discovering Grindelwald up there, and Gellert giving the young man a map to the graveyard where he can learn who he is. Without the set-up of the Maledictus-Obscurial conversation, though, in which they talk, we have to assume, about their frustration with their identity and seemingly inevitable tragic fate, not to mention their escape from Circus Arcanus, their plans, and Credence’s determination to find out who he is, that scene, really everything about Credence’s character arc in this film is just viewer guesswork. Given the centrality of Credence going forward because of the big reveal at the end and that the sub-narrative of the film is Grindelwald’s script to get the young man to come to him, this is a very unfortunate cut. Not to mention that this edit reduces Nagini to two-dimensional eye-candy rather than a character as essential to the bridge between this franchise and the Hogwarts Saga as Dumbledore and Fawkes!

(3) Is Queenie Out of her Mind or Crazy Like a Fox? Kelly’s list includes two shots of Queenie’s conversation with Grindelwald that didn’t survive the Yates knife that carves Rowling’s narrative into a form acceptable to Warner Brothers for release. One is of their talking in a seated position inside and another of her in a garden outdoors. We need a lot more explanation of why Queenie in Crimes is such a different person in the second film than she is in the first. “Ditz” would not be an unkind description of her behavior and decision making. Her only way of finding her sister in Paris, for example, is by going to the Ministry? Owls don’t work in France? She succombs to Grindelwald and cannot read his mind because of some drugged tea? She leaves Jacob to serve the Big Bad Guy because she thinks he is going to create a brave, new world in which he is kind to Muggles? Really? We know she can read minds and Abernathy is in an open book to her. She doesn’t figure out in Nurmengard at least that she’s on the wrong side? The missing scene of her walking the Ministry that we saw in the trailer suggests she is on a mission in Paris and that everything she does is a role as the “stupid blonde” to take in the really stupid men that buy her act. But if that is true, without the full scenes in the Ministry or of her conversations with Grindelwald which Yates cut, when we find out she isn’t crazy but wonderfully savvy and brave, I think we’re going to feel cheated rather than charmed by the twist.

There’s more, especially the still of Dumbledore before the Mirror of Erised that I try to explain below, but these three demonstrate I think the chasm separating the shooting script and the ‘Original Screenplay,’ the story as concieved and shot versus the story we have post-Yates. Please let me know if you know of any other deleted scenes to add to Kelly’s compilation or any interpretations of these pictures and cuts. I’m writing the structure post and welcome your help before I try to dope out what Rowling’s shooting script story scaffolding really was.

Thank you again, Kelly, for putting together this resource for all serious readers of Crimes of Grindelwald!

Kelly Loomis’ Crimes of Grindelwald Deleted Scenes and Placing List

Before Scene 1 (Deleted Scene from Fantatic Beasts)

Credence in an alley in front of the Circus Arcanus advertisement poster

After MACUSA Escape (Scenes 1-16), Before Ministry Meeting with Spielman (Scenes 17-21)

Newt Book Signing

Ballroom Scenes 

Seems it is just re-emphasizing Leta’s separateness.  Theseus is across the floor.  It seems as Leta watches the dancer, her dress swirls up into the air like the blanket covering baby Corvus.

Rosier doing surveillance

I’m guessing that she is watching Credence for Grindelwald.  We never saw Credence in any of those cool jackets they showed in promo photos, though. 

After Ministry Meeting with Spielman: Newt and Theseus in Pub

Which scenes were you sad to see go?

REDMAYNE: Which scene? There was quite a lovely scene in the pub between a wizarding pub, after that first scene where Newt refuses to be taken in by the ministry basically, and become an Auror. He kind of storms out, and originally there was a scene in which I was in a wizarding pub in London, and my brother came and we had a conversation there, and Pickett was busy getting drunk on my butter beer and stuff. That was quite a lovely scene, and I saw why it needed to go.

 Within Scenes 28-30

Probably before the bus scene: Dumbledore using the deluminator then walking with Newt.

  

 Near or in scene 33, 34 

 

Different or Within packing to go to France Scene – Scene 39

Jacob asks if Newt is going somewhere, Newt answers “No. We’re going somewhere.”

Part of Scene 45?

Kama in front of the Lestrange tree

Tina in the hideout

Newt in Hideout

[After Scene 51 – Queenie in the Ministry]

[John: She wasn’t there just to have a melt-down in front of a clerk. Do you think she ‘heard’ Abernathy, in his woman’s disguise and holding the Lestrange family tree book, walk to the elevator with Rosier? Me, too. Hence her walk about the Ministry to do surveillance only this congenital Legillimens could do.]

Before scenes 62, 63?

Albus walking down a hall – with books. Jude Law said in an interview that a scene was cut where he was having a conversation with McGonagall (no pictures). [John: I assume it would be before he meets with Leta at the school, a scene in which Albus asks Minerva after the Travers conversation if his students are okay and where he can find Leta, a question inviting a response from her which reveals how each feels about Leta.]

After Scene 71

Leta and Theseus Walking in Hogwarts Hall

Part of Scene 72? Re-shot?

Gellert kneeling next to Queenie sitting on the couch with a wrap around her shoulders looking cold still.  In the movie and screenplay, she doesn’t see Grindelwald until after her tea and she is not looking cold anymore.

 After Scene 72? Or Before Scene 120?

Queenie and Gellert in garden. She has her coat on.  Is this emphasizing or giving her an idea of a possible wedding? [John: This could be in Nurmengard as well at the finish. We’re not given any hint of what or why Queenie is doing for Grindelwald at the end of the film except that she helps him understand what Credence is feeling and thinking.]

 Before Scene 73

Albus with an Order of the Phoenix Book [John: like the one in Nicola Flamel’s house].

 Another part of Scene 73

Albus shaking finger at himself in Mirror of Erised.

[John: In Scene 119, the script says Albus is “bitterly ashamed” when Newt confronts him on the Hogwarts viaduct with the Blood Pact talisman. Though this shot may only be a still for publicity, it suggests that the reason Dumbledore is able to see this event in the Mirror is not because what he wants the most, his “heart’s desire,” is to be with Grindelwald, his supposed lover, but because what he truly longs for is that he had never made the Blood Pact or that he had it back in his possession.]

Before or After Scene 85 (Credence’s Meeting with Grindelwald in Shadow of Eiffel Tower)

Credence and Nagini: being together and Credence controlling his Obscurus.

Part of Scene 96

Leta and Tina worked together to help out Newt.  This was from an interview.  No pics. Newt drops his case, Tina fell on top of it, and Leta, according to Eddie Redmayne, “beat the living hell out of the cats.”

Which scenes were you sad to see go?

REDMAYNE: There’s one more scene which was actually in the chase when Tina and Newt are in the records room, and then the thing spins around to reveal us to Leta, and we suddenly get chased by the Matagot’s, those black cats. Well there was quite a peaceful moment in which my case fell out of my hand and Tina let down to go and get it, and basically managed to get the whole thing, sending off all these cats. Meanwhile, Leta is being trounced on by these cats, and absolutely gave them a sort of massive kicking to save Newt, and then Newt had the idea that they should get into the case. I saw a version in which that was in, and I actually quite think it was, again, a time thing. There’s so many intricate, delicate parts. I feel like David had his work cut out to sort of really define that story.

Part of Scene 99 (Lestrange Mauseleum)

Nagini tries to attack Kama in her snake-like form – no pics (from screenplay)

Part of Scene 108 (Leta Flashback to Sinking Ship)

*In script Credence’s aunt calls Irma by her name. (can’t remember if this is so – I’m seeing it again tomorrow) They either knew each other before or got to know each other on the ship

*(Significance? – year is 1901.  Supposedly the same year Tina was born)

*Someone has told me there is the same phoenix book Flamel and Albus have and it’s on Credence’s Aunt’s nightstand — to check on next viewing! [Update: No, there is no book in the Aunt’s ship cabin.]

Which scenes were you sad to see go?

REDMAYNE: I think Zoe Kravitz is sensational in the film, but there was one particular extension of the scene you already saw when her history is revealed. And she did this sort of, quite dumbfounding break down, which was, everyone in the room felt-—I mean, I as Newt ran over to her to check if she was okay, and I think it may have ended up not working musically with the piece somehow, but it was an astonishing thing to witness. So I would have loved to have seen that.

Part of Scene 114 (Underground Amphitheater)

Acolytes go around the amphitheater in masks – no pics (from script)

Grindelwald’s Ptotego Diabolica Fire is black not blue (from script)

Leta sends a spell towards the skull which explodes, “Rosier is knocked backwards,” and Gellert is “momentarily obscured” in “a whirl of chaos.”  She is “engulfed” in fire after yelling at Newt and Theseus, “GO! GO!” (from script)

No mention in script of a backhanded spell from Gellert to block her. 

[Questions: What happened to the skull? Does he not need it anymore? Was destroying it Leta’s mission?]

‘Scene 121’

Ending scene (they shot every day for 10 days to get the authentic Parisian sunset) was supposed to be Flamel bringing them croissants with a sunset in the background and the characters crying. (No pics, from junket interviews)

Update: See Crimes of Grindelwald: Deleted Scenes 2 for discussion of what the fourteen minutes of deleted material released in the DVD extras revealed and concealed!

 

 

 

 

Comments

  1. Beatrice Groves says

    Thank you both for this resource! It answers a few things – such as what all that writing is on the walls of Tina’s ‘prison’ – which in the film felt very odd and disconnected. I think there must also be a cut scene taking Credence and Nagini to the crypt – it felt so abrupt when the camera panned out and they were also there! And I certainly felt Leta’s story-line was underplayed in the film as we have it.
    Do you think using so many cut scenes in the trailers was a cunning way of not giving too much away or a mistake?

  2. Looks, like we have indeed been robbed. The movie could have been much more coherent and less rushed if crucial scenes hadn’t ended up on the cutting floor 🙁

    @Kelly, thanks for your work. I have answered your question, where I live in Germany in the Stray Questions thread ☺

  3. Kelly Loomis says

    As an addendum, there was NO Phoenix book I saw on the ship. The person seeing that was mistaken.

    This was my third time seeing it and it was just as good.

  4. Kelly Loomis says

    After realizing how much of Leta’s story was cut, it makes some sense that fans have felt this movie had no coherent story. Even my son after seeing it with me today, said it was just a bunch of separate stories. If all of Leta’s scenes were included as written, there would have been one character that had a definite beginning to end wrapped up story.

  5. There was a Phoenix book on the table!

  6. Kelly Loomis says

    Ashley, do you mean the Phoenix book was on the table in their ship cabin?

  7. I was confused about the ship sinking flashback. If the babies were switched, wouldn’t the half- goblin have recognized the difference? Yet when she meets Credence as a man, she acts like he is Corvis, telling him what a beautiful baby he was, etc. and then of course she is killed before she can reveal anything further to Credence. It is in Grindelwald’s interest to make Credence no longer suspect he’s a Lestrange. There’s so much missing that we must deduce rather than know. The Potter films were also ridiculously short and overly edited, but it didn’t matter because we could fill in the gaps from our knowledge of the books. She is still thinking and writing like a novelist and Yates is still cutting like a film director. We have to practically make up plausible scenarios ( an incubus? An adulterous Kendra? Or still a Lestrange?) She will also likely help us through tweets and little writings on Pottermore over the next two years. Not the same, but oh well.

    My biggest beef is about Minerva McGonagall. Am I really the only one bothered by this? I understood that she went to Hogwarts roughly the same years as Hagrid and Tom Riddle. Yet here she is a professor at Hogwarts? In 1928. During Harry’s Hogwarts years she is described as older but nowhere near Albus. Even JKR’s own story about her shows that she came asking Albus for a job. We know he wasn’t the Headmaster until some point after Riddle graduated in 1945. HP Lexicon has her birthdate kind of vague too. I hate timeline inconsistencies. It really bugs me. In such a big budget world wasn’t there anyone to say to the writer/s that this didn’t fit? I can only conclude that having McGonagall in this timeline was so important that they risked creating a consistency issue. What could that be? Or is she using a time turner? She seemed to know all about them in PoA. JKR seems to not avoid time travel any longer as we saw her accept in Cursed Chld. Why would they suck her in this film unless there was a good reason?

  8. Kelly Loomis says

    Another scene that was cut short was the argument Queenie and Jacob has in the street outside Newt’s house. It was reported in the following link.

    http://only-johnny-depp.tumblr.com/post/180559765227

  9. David James says

    Nana…. I had a problem with McGonagall appearing in Hogwarts in 1928 as a teacher during a critical time in this story, until I thought of this as a possible answer…..the Time Turner !!

    Anyone one remember this bit of history in the Harry Potter story….

    “Hermione Granger received a Time Turner from Professor McGonagall in 1993, so that she could attend more classes in her third year than time would allow”.

    Supposedly only the Ministry of Magic had possession of all of the Time Turners in 1993 with an exception given to Professor McGonagall.

    This fact may also help solve the appearance of other characters out of the time line of their respective history in the Harry Potter story, as long as it stays in line with the progression of the Grindelwald/ Dumbledore saga.

  10. Nana… Honestly, in all the panic when the ship was sinking do you think either of the babies’ guardians would have had time for a closer inspection? They had a baby with them and that’s all that mattered. Even if I have to say that one of them looked a fair bit bigger than the other.

    John… I just finished the reading the screenplay.
    Do you remember the first half of scene 64 in the film? Dumbledore has a duel with McClaggan in DADA class and then McGonagall arrives with the Ministry officials. I can’t, but I’ve only seen the film once so far – so I’ll keep an eye out for it next time.

    Also, of course the screenplay is ‘original’, even if it may not be the draft she gave to production as a basis for the shooting script. It only means that the script isn’t adapted from a novel or short story, or whatever else in print – not that it’s literally the writer’s original draft.

  11. David… Well, I don’t think she’s the same McGonagall. But certainly the coincidence is a bit much. Sure, McGonagall may not be an uncommon name in Scotland, but what are the odds of another girl being called Minerva – unless they were an older cousin of HP-Minerva. In those days families used to be a lot bigger, generally – and she’s named after her grandmother. But, of course, they could have avoided all that by just calling the character Prof. McGonagall instead of ‘Young Minerva’. Still, to my mind, the family connection is a more reasonable assumption than a Time Turner, or Minerva lying about her age in Umbridge’s inspection (after all the Ministry would have had a record, and so would the Hogwarts register).

  12. Kathrin, great to hear from you!

    Irma doesn’t just see the baby on ship, she sees him in the life raft and in NYC when they arrive. Of course she noticed a shift, if there was one. It seems just as likely to me that the baby was crying because it had been switched already and it was Leta who didn’t grasp consciously that there had been a change.

    Regardless, Irma was killed before she was able to explain what happened to Credence. That’s for sure — as is the fact that there was more to tell. We just don’t know what that is. Or if Grindelwald knew. I’d guess he did and that is why she had to be killed. Does the killer know? That would create another way of our finding out…

    Are you looking for the Phoenix book on the table of the DADA classroom? I don’t recall one but we do have a still taken of DDore with the book (see Kelly’s list above).

    And forgive me for hooting at your suggestion that ‘Original Screenplay’ means “not adapted from a short story or novel.” Readers who buy the book with J. K. Rowling’s name on the cover buy the “Original Screenplay” because they believe they are getting J. K. Rowling’s original work on the story from which the filmed version was made, either her first draft that became the shooting script in collaboration with Kloves, Yates, and Heyman, or the shooting script itself. The published version is neither one nor the other, hence it is straight-up fraud to call it her “original” work.

    If you can show me published versions of “original screenplays” for other films for which it means “not taken from a short story or novel” I might reconsider this point, but I doubt it. It’s a shame that we will almost certainly not get in our lifetimes the shooting script or Rowling’s first drafts that are the “original screenplay,” but it remains an important distinction to keep in mind, especially with an author for whom structure and planning are so important, that what was published is in no sense “original” except to David Yates — and his name is not on the cover. It is the final screenplay, full stop.

  13. See https://www.hypable.com/when-was-mcgonagall-born-age/ for one serious fan’s attempt to make the McGonagall appearance work in canon.

    It is a fine effort but be sure to read the comments below the post in which Rowling interviews and conflicting pieces of canon explode the idea.

  14. Kelly Loomis says

    One of the actors talked about how, on set, Rowling had a HUGE stack of papers which were her script and “millions” of notes. Wish I could remember where. We know from everything we’ve heard, read and seen that she had things in there we will never know which contributed to HER story!

    She is so particular and detailed. Seemingly differences may be significant. I think even if the description of the fire in the amphitheater. It is black in the screenplay. For special effects ease and probably better looks on screen, it became blue. I had someone on a YouTube video point out that the fire Harry passed through after drinking the correct potion in the Philosopher’s Stone was black. Correlation to Queenie and the others that were or were not able to pass through the fire? Maybe tie will tell!!!

  15. Of course she would have noticed later, when they were on the raft and in NY, but by then it was too late – Corvus was dead. I can’t remember if the two parties were in the same life raft, but even if they had been it might not have been possible to switch the babies back; but the two women/ nurses seem to have been friendly, or at least on speaking terms. So Irma might have known where Credence was supposed to go, and she completed that. She could hardly return to Europe with a boy after being sent to America to dispose of Corvus.

    In scene 64 before the Ministry arrive Dumbledore has a practice duel with a student called McClaggan in which he asks about the boy’s errors in the last lesson. It may have been in the film, I just can’t remember. After that McGonagall arrives with the Ministry and takes the students away.

    Well, the only other screenplays I can judge by are the ones from the BBC’s script archive and most of them state if they’re not the final scripts (you know pink pages, or whatever they call them). Some of them are, of course, adapted (however loosely) on books (like the Musketeers or Sherlock), others are not (i.e. original like Doctor Who or Ripper Street). The only other screenplays I know of that have been published as a book are of Upstart Crow about Shakespeare which uses occasional quotes from the Bard’s works (but I’d still call it original, as it’s not about the plays as such, more about how they were written and Will’s relationships with his family in Stratford and his friends and enemies in London). Of course I’d like to see the original draft or the shooting script, but I’d still say the screenplay is original (as in not adapted). But I guess we’ll have to disagree on that – and hope that at some point in the future we’ll either get a director’s/ extended cut of the movies (a proper one like with the Middle Earth sagas, it’s the same distributor, after all) or the actual final draft/ shooting script. But it maybe a while. The only thing that might be comparable would be if we had scripts for the Strike adaptations, but – alas – they’re not in the archives.

  16. Hi! I found this blog a few months ago and was amazed at the depth of analysis.

    This is a wonderful list of all the deleted scenes. I really hope the DVD/BlueRay has an “Extended Version.” I’m wondering if Warner Brothers had a hand in shortening the film, perhaps trying show more “action” scenes instead of character development.

  17. Welcome to HogwartsProfessor, Isadora! Please share your find with all your friends.

  18. Christine Lowther says

    There were only two moments I really enjoyed in this disappointing film. The pleasure of the unexpected reappearance of Newt’s friends (and the look on his face upon seeing them), and Dumbledore uncovering the mirror of Erised. Your work here to save the story is truly a labour of love. It is appreciated! (I’m Canadian, I had to spell it that way. ; )

  19. The movie did indeed look like a bunch of separate stories. The cutting of the full script has been brutal and the comparative lack of financial success of this film is exactly what Warner Brothers deserved.

  20. I feel there are a lot of assumptions made in the breakdown and it’s unclear whether Kelly had access to the original screenplay or not. Should be noted also that Yates shoots a lot of material and knowing about some of those deleted scenes does not mean that those scenes, while they may work separately, may not have worked in the body of the film which is why it was cut. Yes, WB has a history of forcing directors to cut down their films in order to fit more showtimes, supposedly but this doesn’t feel like it to me.

    I loved the film and never felt it was lacking and never, frankly, understood the complaints. I exchanged a few PMs on Reddit with someone who saw a 150 min cut of the film. Here’s what he told me:

    “Ballroom scene was there and it didn’t seem vital to the plot. There was this long period where everyone was trying to find Credence and even Leta/Theseus and the other Aurors were involved. It was more or less a hybrid scene that was used as a precursor to Leta’s guilt for leaving Corvus on the sinking ship.

    The Credence-Nagini Obscurus scene happened in place of Grindelwald coming to Credence and inviting him to his forum at the Lestrange tomb. The scene itself was to showcase more about Credence and Nagini’s relationship when they first met at the travelling circus (that brief take we saw of Credence in France was also cut from the film, mainly because they replaced that scene with a line saying that Credence made his way into Europe – the UK Ministry of Magic scene at the beginning)

    The deluminator bit that was in the scene was an additional take after Dumbledore conjured the fog in London. Slightly different dialogue but covered the same premise that Albus wanted Newt to go to France.

    Though I do want to say that they cleaned up the sequence showcasing all the Fantastic Beasts in Newt’s loft. I am very pleased with the film and how it turned out.”

    There is, as you probably all know, an extended cut (7 min long) coming out, so we’ll see how different it is but probably not that much. I also remember seeing someone else saying that the audience, during the test screening,, felt some scenes were running too long which might have added to the trimming because that’s really what it sounds like.

    I’m sure there’s a way longer cut out there as there always is with most films, ie the first cut, the assembly which is just all the scenes together. I don’t believe there’s a magical cut out there that’s substantially different from the finished film. There also deleted scenes on the BD (longer than 7 min total), the ballroom scene is there, the assumption is that the deleted scenes won’t be in the extended cut, otherwise I’m not sure what the point would be (although they did do that with the PS and CoS “extended” cuts).

    For the croissants scene, I don’t see how it would have fit because Credence and Nagini were there, how does that work as Credence is with Grindelwald?

  21. I meant “does not mean that those scenes, while they may work separately, WOULD have worked in the body of a film”

  22. Where did Rowling say what you think you saw wasn’t what happened?

  23. Kelly Loomis says

    Chris, I remember it was in one of the interviews leading up to the film. I’m going to try and find it. I did know at one point where it was but it’s been a while. I’ll see what I can find.

  24. Kelly Loomis says
  25. Great find, Kelly! It’s at 1:15 of the embedded video:

    “Whatever you think you know at the end of the movie might not be the case [you think].”

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